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Red schrieb:Okay der Preis war happig am Anfang. Aber warum hätten sie die Konsole günstiger anbieten sollen , wenn:/ajk schrieb:Den Preis.
Die Leistung.
Eigendlich alles was wichtig ist.
Halt einen Hype veranstaltet.
So wie jetzt mit dem cell Chip der ja 10000 Mal besser wird als der jetzige..
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1. Es keine Konkurenz gab
2. Sich eh jeder die konsole zu dem Preis gekauft hat.
Aber grade das beim GB kritisieren...
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CNET News: Xbox Next (Post #1)
November 10, 2003, 4:00 AM PST
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
There's a multibillion dollar company moving into the chip business: Microsoft.
According to sources, the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant will more actively participate in the design of the brains for the next version of its Xbox gaming console, tentatively called Xbox Next. By
switching from using relatively standard parts to more customized silicon, the company can better optimize its game console, due in 2005. At the same time, the move potentially gives the company a toehold in
a completely new market.
"It is clear that Microsoft wants to get a lot of their DNA into it," said Richard Doherty, director of research company The Envisioneering Group. One reason for that involves hacking incidents. "They sure don't
want to have a situation where an Xbox can be turned into a PC," Doherty said. Another is that Microsoft can squeeze better performance out of chips by being involved on the front end of the design process.
News.context
What's new:
In the next-generation Xbox, Microsoft will shift from using chips that could be found in a PC to silicon customized using intellectual property from IBM, ATI Technologies and Silicon Integrated Systems--with
design input from Microsoft.
Bottom line:
Customizing the chips will let Microsoft tweak the performance of the game console, but it also means the software giant will start functioning like a chipmaker. It won't buy chips. Instead, it will pay
royalties and engineering fees to its partners. Ultimately, these deals could let Microsoft put silicon it inspired in a variety of devices.
More stories on this topic
For the original Xbox, Intel and Nvidia sold chips to Microsoft that were largely identical to semiconductors the two chipmakers have also sold to the general PC market.
With Xbox Next, Microsoft is licensing graphics technology from ATI Technologies, processor technology from IBM and chipset technology from Silicon Integrated Systems (SIS). Microsoft will then work with
these companies to fashion customized chips, sources said.
The arrangement will likely mirror Sony's relationship with IBM and Toshiba to create the Cell processor slated for use in the next big release of the PlayStation game console, said analysts and sources close to
the companies.
Microsoft will likely ink deals with one or more semiconductor foundries to manufacture the chips for the new Xbox design, said people familiar with the deal. "Manufacturing is not part of the agreement yet. It is
up to them what they do with manufacturing," an IBM representative said.
Microsoft, which announced the IBM and SIS deals last week, refused to comment further on its plans. Chairman Bill Gates is expected to discuss Xbox next at the CES show in Las Vegas this January,
Doherty said.
Although chip customization can create risks, it will enable Microsoft to optimize performance inside the console. The company has also been wrestling with Xbox hackers, who've been able to turn the $179
console into a fully functioning computer.
In a sense, "Microsoft is becoming a fabless semiconductor design firm," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. These companies--without their own chip-fabrication factories, or
"fabs"--design their processors but outsource manufacturing to foundry companies. They also often license design expertise and intellectual property from others. Microsoft "had very little to do" with silicon
design for the first Xbox, said Glaskowsky.
Commercially, Microsoft will differ from other fabless companies, such as Transmeta, in that its main customer will be itself. Still, Microsoft could conceivably leverage its investment by using the chips in many
products, similar to what Sony plans to do with Cell.
"Microsoft could in principle take the technology they have licensed for Xbox and create hybrid systems," said Glaskowsky, referring to products that combine computing technologies with consumer electronics.
The details on how these different chip agreements will work remains vague at this point. Nonetheless, some of the semiconductor companies working with Microsoft have stated that their Microsoft relationship
does not fit into the ordinary dealings between chipmaker and box maker.
"It (the Microsoft arrangement) is different than our normal. It is a technology development thing for SIS," said Brad Walker, director of business development for SIS. Typically, SIS develops chipsets on its own
and then seeks out customers later.
The deal with ATI is similar to the relationship ATI has with Nintendo for providing graphics to the GameCube, said Chris Evenden, director of PR for ATI. ATI designed a customized chip for the Japanese giant,
which then took the blueprints and found a manufacturing partner. In turn, ATI receives royalties for each GameCube console sold and royalties on the sales of Nintendo games.
With Microsoft, ATI will provide customized graphics technology for "future Xbox services and products" and in exchange will receive royalties. Royalty deals are an exception for the company. ATI mostly earns
revenue by selling chips. Nvidia's Xbox revenue came from selling chips.
One of the major open questions, of course, is how different these chips will be from the semiconductors IBM, SIS and ATI will sell on the open market.
The IBM representative acknowledged that Microsoft is looking at the company's PowerPC technology, the underlying architecture behind the chips in Apple computers. PowerPC concepts will also be the basis
of the Cell processor, which will contain multiple chip cores that handle a variety of tasks.
Sony, Toshiba and IBM, however, have been working on Cell since 2001, and it won't come out until at least late 2005. Doherty speculated that Microsoft's IBM-flavored processor probably wouldn't represent as
radical a departure as Cell, but the chip would differ from the silicon found in Macs.
"They are going to make sure that it is not a rubber stamp of someone else's," Doherty said.
ATI's Evenden said, "you want to leverage as much of your intellectual property as possible" from the PC market in making game console chips. There are, however, substantial differences. With a PC chip,
users want to adjust the resolution and other factors. In consoles, companies don't have to worry about those issues.
Manufacturing is also uncertain. Although no deal has been signed with IBM, it is inevitable that Big Blue will make some of the chips, said Glaskowsky. IBM embarked on a strategy in 2002 to sign intellectual
property and/or manufacturing contracts with high-profile chipmakers.
Some of its clients include Advanced Micro Devices and Analog Devices. IBM also upgraded its East Fishkill, N.Y., fab to handle some of this work.
Microsoft, though, will have options. Chartered Semiconductor, a Singapore-based foundry, is redesigning some of its fabs with IBM's cooperation so they will be virtually identical from a manufacturing
standpoint, as IBM's. Typically, Asian foundries charge lower fees than IBM.
Microsoft Enter Into The Chip Business?
By: Cesar
Nov. 10th, 2003 07:30 am
C|Net News reports today that according to sources, Microsoft is moving into the chip business with the Xbox successor.
"It is clear that Microsoft wants to get a lot of their DNA into it," said Richard Doherty, director of research company The Envisioneering Group. One reason for that involves hacking incidents. "They sure don't want to have a situation where an Xbox can be turned into a PC," Doherty said. Another is that Microsoft can squeeze better performance out of chips by being involved on the front end of the design process.
"Manufacturing is not part of the agreement yet. It is up to them what they do with manufacturing," an IBM representative said, refering to last week announcement.
In a sense, "Microsoft is becoming a fabless semiconductor design firm," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. These companies--without their own chip-fabrication factories, or "fabs"--design their processors but outsource manufacturing to foundry companies. They also often license design expertise and intellectual property from others. Microsoft "had very little to do" with silicon design for the first Xbox, said Glaskowsky.
Both Microsoft's deals with IBM and ATI are similar to those both companies already have with Sony and Nintendo, respectively. IBM & ATI provide customized technology for the Xbox successor and, in exchange, they will receive royalties. That's Ddfferent from today's model where nVIDIA's Xbox revenue come from selling chips to Microsoft.
The Inquirer reported last week that the WebTV team is behind this bold move and that the basic idea is to have a Taiwanese "low cost model" style by getting others to build the chips.
http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=5099
November 10, 2003, 4:00 AM PST
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
There's a multibillion dollar company moving into the chip business: Microsoft.
According to sources, the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant will more actively participate in the design of the brains for the next version of its Xbox gaming console, tentatively called Xbox Next. By
switching from using relatively standard parts to more customized silicon, the company can better optimize its game console, due in 2005. At the same time, the move potentially gives the company a toehold in
a completely new market.
"It is clear that Microsoft wants to get a lot of their DNA into it," said Richard Doherty, director of research company The Envisioneering Group. One reason for that involves hacking incidents. "They sure don't
want to have a situation where an Xbox can be turned into a PC," Doherty said. Another is that Microsoft can squeeze better performance out of chips by being involved on the front end of the design process.
News.context
What's new:
In the next-generation Xbox, Microsoft will shift from using chips that could be found in a PC to silicon customized using intellectual property from IBM, ATI Technologies and Silicon Integrated Systems--with
design input from Microsoft.
Bottom line:
Customizing the chips will let Microsoft tweak the performance of the game console, but it also means the software giant will start functioning like a chipmaker. It won't buy chips. Instead, it will pay
royalties and engineering fees to its partners. Ultimately, these deals could let Microsoft put silicon it inspired in a variety of devices.
More stories on this topic
For the original Xbox, Intel and Nvidia sold chips to Microsoft that were largely identical to semiconductors the two chipmakers have also sold to the general PC market.
With Xbox Next, Microsoft is licensing graphics technology from ATI Technologies, processor technology from IBM and chipset technology from Silicon Integrated Systems (SIS). Microsoft will then work with
these companies to fashion customized chips, sources said.
The arrangement will likely mirror Sony's relationship with IBM and Toshiba to create the Cell processor slated for use in the next big release of the PlayStation game console, said analysts and sources close to
the companies.
Microsoft will likely ink deals with one or more semiconductor foundries to manufacture the chips for the new Xbox design, said people familiar with the deal. "Manufacturing is not part of the agreement yet. It is
up to them what they do with manufacturing," an IBM representative said.
Microsoft, which announced the IBM and SIS deals last week, refused to comment further on its plans. Chairman Bill Gates is expected to discuss Xbox next at the CES show in Las Vegas this January,
Doherty said.
Although chip customization can create risks, it will enable Microsoft to optimize performance inside the console. The company has also been wrestling with Xbox hackers, who've been able to turn the $179
console into a fully functioning computer.
In a sense, "Microsoft is becoming a fabless semiconductor design firm," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. These companies--without their own chip-fabrication factories, or
"fabs"--design their processors but outsource manufacturing to foundry companies. They also often license design expertise and intellectual property from others. Microsoft "had very little to do" with silicon
design for the first Xbox, said Glaskowsky.
Commercially, Microsoft will differ from other fabless companies, such as Transmeta, in that its main customer will be itself. Still, Microsoft could conceivably leverage its investment by using the chips in many
products, similar to what Sony plans to do with Cell.
"Microsoft could in principle take the technology they have licensed for Xbox and create hybrid systems," said Glaskowsky, referring to products that combine computing technologies with consumer electronics.
The details on how these different chip agreements will work remains vague at this point. Nonetheless, some of the semiconductor companies working with Microsoft have stated that their Microsoft relationship
does not fit into the ordinary dealings between chipmaker and box maker.
"It (the Microsoft arrangement) is different than our normal. It is a technology development thing for SIS," said Brad Walker, director of business development for SIS. Typically, SIS develops chipsets on its own
and then seeks out customers later.
The deal with ATI is similar to the relationship ATI has with Nintendo for providing graphics to the GameCube, said Chris Evenden, director of PR for ATI. ATI designed a customized chip for the Japanese giant,
which then took the blueprints and found a manufacturing partner. In turn, ATI receives royalties for each GameCube console sold and royalties on the sales of Nintendo games.
With Microsoft, ATI will provide customized graphics technology for "future Xbox services and products" and in exchange will receive royalties. Royalty deals are an exception for the company. ATI mostly earns
revenue by selling chips. Nvidia's Xbox revenue came from selling chips.
One of the major open questions, of course, is how different these chips will be from the semiconductors IBM, SIS and ATI will sell on the open market.
The IBM representative acknowledged that Microsoft is looking at the company's PowerPC technology, the underlying architecture behind the chips in Apple computers. PowerPC concepts will also be the basis
of the Cell processor, which will contain multiple chip cores that handle a variety of tasks.
Sony, Toshiba and IBM, however, have been working on Cell since 2001, and it won't come out until at least late 2005. Doherty speculated that Microsoft's IBM-flavored processor probably wouldn't represent as
radical a departure as Cell, but the chip would differ from the silicon found in Macs.
"They are going to make sure that it is not a rubber stamp of someone else's," Doherty said.
ATI's Evenden said, "you want to leverage as much of your intellectual property as possible" from the PC market in making game console chips. There are, however, substantial differences. With a PC chip,
users want to adjust the resolution and other factors. In consoles, companies don't have to worry about those issues.
Manufacturing is also uncertain. Although no deal has been signed with IBM, it is inevitable that Big Blue will make some of the chips, said Glaskowsky. IBM embarked on a strategy in 2002 to sign intellectual
property and/or manufacturing contracts with high-profile chipmakers.
Some of its clients include Advanced Micro Devices and Analog Devices. IBM also upgraded its East Fishkill, N.Y., fab to handle some of this work.
Microsoft, though, will have options. Chartered Semiconductor, a Singapore-based foundry, is redesigning some of its fabs with IBM's cooperation so they will be virtually identical from a manufacturing
standpoint, as IBM's. Typically, Asian foundries charge lower fees than IBM.
Microsoft Enter Into The Chip Business?
By: Cesar
Nov. 10th, 2003 07:30 am
C|Net News reports today that according to sources, Microsoft is moving into the chip business with the Xbox successor.
"It is clear that Microsoft wants to get a lot of their DNA into it," said Richard Doherty, director of research company The Envisioneering Group. One reason for that involves hacking incidents. "They sure don't want to have a situation where an Xbox can be turned into a PC," Doherty said. Another is that Microsoft can squeeze better performance out of chips by being involved on the front end of the design process.
"Manufacturing is not part of the agreement yet. It is up to them what they do with manufacturing," an IBM representative said, refering to last week announcement.
In a sense, "Microsoft is becoming a fabless semiconductor design firm," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. These companies--without their own chip-fabrication factories, or "fabs"--design their processors but outsource manufacturing to foundry companies. They also often license design expertise and intellectual property from others. Microsoft "had very little to do" with silicon design for the first Xbox, said Glaskowsky.
Both Microsoft's deals with IBM and ATI are similar to those both companies already have with Sony and Nintendo, respectively. IBM & ATI provide customized technology for the Xbox successor and, in exchange, they will receive royalties. That's Ddfferent from today's model where nVIDIA's Xbox revenue come from selling chips to Microsoft.
The Inquirer reported last week that the WebTV team is behind this bold move and that the basic idea is to have a Taiwanese "low cost model" style by getting others to build the chips.
http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=5099
mir ist es scheiss egal wie geil die nächsten xbox spiele, oder die xbox2 sein wirdl. mir kommt sicher kein Microsoft Produkt ins Haus.... ich ärgere mich einfach viel zu sehr über diese scheiss Firma. so das musste mal gesagt werden 
.
No more Windows, no more Microsoft!
Use Linux
.No more Windows, no more Microsoft!
Use Linux
GenesisX schrieb:mir ist es scheiss egal wie geil die nächsten xbox spiele, oder die xbox2 sein wirdl. mir kommt sicher kein Microsoft Produkt ins Haus.... ich ärgere mich einfach viel zu sehr über diese scheiss Firma. so das musste mal gesagt werden
No more Windows, no more Microsoft!
Use Linux
du ärgerst dich viel über Microsoft ?
... na wenn du keine anderen Probleme hast gehts ja noch
Es kann nicht immer alles perfekt laufen... und ehrlichgesagt hab ich mich auch über Linux schon tödlichst aufgeregt.
Mir kommt einfach die Konsole ins Haus, welche die beste Spielegrafik auf den Bildschirm zaubert und daneben noch gute Multimedia-Optionen aufweist.
Ob die von MS oder Sony kommt ist mir im Prinzip schnuppe... von mir aus könnte auch Commodore drauf stehen
M
Miluaf
Guest
Ahoi,
@mia.max: Lol, dann konzentrier dich aufs PC-Spielen.
Also, jedem die seine Meinung, aber so eine dumme hab ich noch nie gelesen.....2mit der besten Spielegrafik".....
lso scheissegal, wie gut die jeweiligen Spiele wirklich sind, solangs super aussieht, wirds gekauft,wa????
cya,
Fauli
@mia.max: Lol, dann konzentrier dich aufs PC-Spielen.
Also, jedem die seine Meinung, aber so eine dumme hab ich noch nie gelesen.....2mit der besten Spielegrafik".....
lso scheissegal, wie gut die jeweiligen Spiele wirklich sind, solangs super aussieht, wirds gekauft,wa????
cya,
Fauli
Shade
L08: Intermediate
MFauli schrieb:
wenn dir klar wäre, dass er über konsolen und nicht über pcs geschrieben hat könntest du seine meinung auch verstehen!
ausserdem ist es wohl der größte schwachsinn etwas nicht zu kaufen, nur weil microsoft drauf steht! als gamer kann mir das doch wohl sowas von egal sein! ich will zocken und das geht mit der xbox hervorragend!!!!
ich habe 7 jahre lang mit microsoft produkten gearbeitet... langsam kotzt es mich an und ich hab mich nach etwas besserem umgesehen... so kam ich zu Linux 
ist einfach besser.
ok ein paar sachen sind echt kompliziert gelöst aber alles in allem ist es das bessere Betriebssystem!
zu mia.max oder wen auch immer: toll solche wie dich kann ich echt nicht ausstehen kaufen einfach blind ohne sich über die firma zu informieren. Blinder Konsum nenn ich so etwas.
naja mir ists ja schnuppe, lass dich weiterhin von Microsoft verarschen und kriech ihnen weiterhin im arsch herum... sorry musste einfach sein!
ist einfach besser. ok ein paar sachen sind echt kompliziert gelöst aber alles in allem ist es das bessere Betriebssystem!
zu mia.max oder wen auch immer: toll solche wie dich kann ich echt nicht ausstehen kaufen einfach blind ohne sich über die firma zu informieren. Blinder Konsum nenn ich so etwas.
naja mir ists ja schnuppe, lass dich weiterhin von Microsoft verarschen und kriech ihnen weiterhin im arsch herum... sorry musste einfach sein!
Ich würde mir auch keine Xbox zulegen. Ich spiele hauptsächlich Spiele japanischer Traditionsschmieden, den ganzen westlichen Kram kann ich besser und billiger auf PC haben. Somit hat die Box nichts groß zu bieten ausser dem technischen Vorsprung und den Schleuderpreis, von Spielen nach meinem Geschmack ist aber nichts zu sehen.
Sehe bisher auch nicht wie sich das mit der Box 2 grossartig ändern sollte.
Ich vermute sie werden ein paar Rare, Tecmo und eigene Titel am Start haben aber so kann man nichts reissen und das ist gut so.
Sehe bisher auch nicht wie sich das mit der Box 2 grossartig ändern sollte.
Ich vermute sie werden ein paar Rare, Tecmo und eigene Titel am Start haben aber so kann man nichts reissen und das ist gut so.
Frenck
L19: Master
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Jetzt geht das gebashe erst richtig los...
Mir ist es egal was MS im PC Bereich macht, aber was mir nicht egal ist das ICH mit meiner X-Box diesen Herbst am meisten Spass habe...
Da könnte ich auch sagen: Ich mag Gott nicht, also springe ich aus dem Fenster ( Im übertragenen Sinn ).
Mir ist es egal was MS im PC Bereich macht, aber was mir nicht egal ist das ICH mit meiner X-Box diesen Herbst am meisten Spass habe...
Da könnte ich auch sagen: Ich mag Gott nicht, also springe ich aus dem Fenster ( Im übertragenen Sinn ).
Frenck schrieb:
Dem kann ich mich nur anschliessen. Dieser Herbst ist XBox-Herbst, wenn ich an die Spiele denke, die dafür rauskommen. Da hat es selbst die PS2 schwer gegen diesen Spitzenspieleregen anzukommen. Vom Cube rede ich erst gar nicht, denn ausser MK
D, das mich null interessiert, hat der Cube heuer zu Weihnachten nicht viel zu bieten. Naja, wegen Resi 4 hebe ich ihn noch auf...
M
Miluaf
Guest
Ahoi,
@CroixVert und Frenck:
Ich lass euch jetzt mal mit eurem Glauben allein, ihr wisst ja selbst, dass ihr im Delirirum seid,
cya,
Fauli
@CroixVert und Frenck:
Ich lass euch jetzt mal mit eurem Glauben allein, ihr wisst ja selbst, dass ihr im Delirirum seid,
cya,
Fauli
MasterChief1976
L19: Master
GenesisX schrieb:ich habe 7 jahre lang mit microsoft produkten gearbeitet... langsam kotzt es mich an und ich hab mich nach etwas besserem umgesehen... so kam ich zu Linux
ok ein paar sachen sind echt kompliziert gelöst aber alles in allem ist es das bessere Betriebssystem!
zu mia.max oder wen auch immer: toll solche wie dich kann ich echt nicht ausstehen kaufen einfach blind ohne sich über die firma zu informieren. Blinder Konsum nenn ich so etwas.
naja mir ists ja schnuppe, lass dich weiterhin von Microsoft verarschen und kriech ihnen weiterhin im arsch herum... sorry musste einfach sein!
du bist aber wohl auch gerade erst kürzlich von einem stein am kopf getroffen worden oder :-?
ich meine gleich zu sagen zu magst mia.max nicht weil er nicht so eine verbohrte und engstirnige denkweise wie du hat is doch echt bekloppt
von toleranz hast du noch nix gehört.
@mfauli
gott sei dank sind die geschmäcker verschieden - wenns nach leuten wie dir gehen würde dann müssten wir alle super mario zocken *grusel*
M
Miluaf
Guest
Ahoi,
@master chief:
nein, ihr DÜRFTET SuperMario spielen ;-)
Komm schon, diese Aussagen jetzt, das XBox-Lineup f+r Weihnachten wäre besser..........NEIN, ich liste jetzt nicht wieder die GCN-Spiele dieses Weihnachtens auf, ist mir zu dumm ;-)
cya,
Fauli
@master chief:
nein, ihr DÜRFTET SuperMario spielen ;-)
Komm schon, diese Aussagen jetzt, das XBox-Lineup f+r Weihnachten wäre besser..........NEIN, ich liste jetzt nicht wieder die GCN-Spiele dieses Weihnachtens auf, ist mir zu dumm ;-)
cya,
Fauli
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