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Die Zahlen aus dem Geschäftsjahr hatte ich gelesen, nur war deine Aussage
"dass Sony im letzten Jahr bei einem operativen Verlust von über 1 Mia USD (also über 100 Mia JPY) einen Nettogewinn von über 100 Mia JPY erzielt hat?" eben sehr irreführend.
Der operative Gewinn war 2007 aber auch deshalb so hoch, weil beispielsweise im QII/2007 der ehemalige Hauptkomplex für 60 Milliarden Yen veräußert wurde.
Aktuell ist die Situation allerdings sehr viel düsterer, im abgelaufenen QII/2008 sah es schon nicht mehr so rosig aus: der operative Gewinn schrumpfte von 112 auf 11 Milliarden Yen gegenüber dem Vorjahresquartal. Die Spielesparte machte einen Verlust von fast 40 Milliarden Yen.
Sony hat für das Geschäftsjahr 2008 zwar einen operativen Gewinn von 200 Milliarden Yen prognostiziert, aber die japanische Nikkei geht inzwischen von einem Verlust von 100 Milliarden aus.
Der 29.Januar und die Veröffentlichung des Berichts für das 3.Quartal könnte also sehr schmerzhaft werden.
Coda
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Das hat rein gar nichts miteinander zu tun.
Um was gehts eigentlich?Das hat rein gar nichts miteinander zu tun.
Golvellius
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Ja, ich hatte mich auch zuerst getäuscht, indem ich dachte Smoker hätte von dem gesamten Sony-Konzern gesprochen. Es war aber nur der Verlust der Spielesparte, wie ich dann nach Verfassen des Beitrages feststellte.
Ahso, nach genau sowas hatte ich ja gefragt. Wobei mich wundert, dass sowas zum operativen Gewinn gezählt wird, da das ja eigentlich nichts mit Sonys Produkten zu tun hat.
Jo, mal sehen.
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Geschäftsberichte zu lesen ist nicht ganz einfach, da Unternehmen zunächst anfangen das Tafelsilber zu verscherbeln (sprich Unternehmenswerte, die in der Bilanz bisher unterbewertet waren). Am besten ist, wenn Du Steuerungsgrößen wie Cash-Flow etc. von einer der Analystenseiten bekommst. Dann weißt Du, ob das laufende Geschäft Geld verdient oder verliert...
skilllz
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In a statement from Sony, it was announced that the company would post a loss of 150 billion Yen or approximately $1.7 billion US dollars.
Sony announced that it would face its first loss in fourteen years. The company forecasts that it will post a net loss of 150 billion Yen or approximately $1.7 billion US dollars and an operating loss of 260 billion Yen. This amount is considerably worse than analyst estmates of 74 billion Yen.
In the Game segment, operating income (loss) is expected to be lower by approximately ¥30 billion. Of this, approximately ¥15 billion is due to the impact of the appreciation of the yen and approximately ¥15 billion is due to lower-than-expected sales.
Sony “has to go back to square one and cut costs and reduce inventory,” said Naoki Fujiwara, chief fund manager at Shinkin Asset Management Co., which oversees about $6.1 billion in Tokyo. “Sony’s TV sales have expanded but the business remains unprofitable, meaning its cost control is still sloppy.”
The last time Sony posted a loss was in 1995 for an amount of 293.4 billion yen.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08revision2_sony.pdf
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aBvTy5K6jDrM&refer=japan
autsch kann man da nur sagen
Sony announced that it would face its first loss in fourteen years. The company forecasts that it will post a net loss of 150 billion Yen or approximately $1.7 billion US dollars and an operating loss of 260 billion Yen. This amount is considerably worse than analyst estmates of 74 billion Yen.
In the Game segment, operating income (loss) is expected to be lower by approximately ¥30 billion. Of this, approximately ¥15 billion is due to the impact of the appreciation of the yen and approximately ¥15 billion is due to lower-than-expected sales.
Sony “has to go back to square one and cut costs and reduce inventory,” said Naoki Fujiwara, chief fund manager at Shinkin Asset Management Co., which oversees about $6.1 billion in Tokyo. “Sony’s TV sales have expanded but the business remains unprofitable, meaning its cost control is still sloppy.”
The last time Sony posted a loss was in 1995 for an amount of 293.4 billion yen.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08revision2_sony.pdf
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aBvTy5K6jDrM&refer=japan
autsch kann man da nur sagen
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Ich habe auch gerade in den Börsennachrichten im Radio gehört, dass Sony das schlechteste Ergebnis seit 14 Jahren eingefahren hat. Das liegt aber wohl nicht nur an der PS3...
Bin mal auf den kompletten Bericht gespannt. Der kommt heute im Laufe des Tages.
Im Hinblick auf diese Zahlen wirken die Statements von Hirai noch absurder und bescheuerter. Bin mal gespannt wie lange er sich noch halten kann.
Bin mal auf den kompletten Bericht gespannt. Der kommt heute im Laufe des Tages.
Im Hinblick auf diese Zahlen wirken die Statements von Hirai noch absurder und bescheuerter. Bin mal gespannt wie lange er sich noch halten kann.
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Wie meinen die das? Wird die PS3 jetzt etwa eingestampft?? :-? ;-)
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Ich frag mich grad wo man das aus dem Textausschnitt rauslesen kann
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Ich frag mich grad wo man das aus dem Textausschnitt rauslesen kann
Der Text ist schwierig zu lesen:
Im ersten Abschnitt steht der geschätzte Gesamtverlust von 260 Bio. Yen. Danach kommen nur relative Beschreibungen, im Bereich Consumer 340 Bio. weniger, im Game Segment 30 Bio. weniger, Bilder 13 Bio. weniger, Finanzen ca. 65 Bio. weniger etc. . Entsprechend in Summe gut 460 Bio. weniger. Um abzuschätzen wie groß der tatsächliche Verlust der Gaming Sparte ist, müsste man wissen, wie hoch der bisherige Forecast war.
Der tatsächliche Gesamtverlust der Gaming Sparte kann daher größer oder kleiner als 30 Bio. Yen sein, @Captain hast Du Forecast Zahlen je Sparte ?
Um aber den tatsächlichen Verlust einschätzen zu können müsste man zusätzlich wissen, ob weitere Unternehmenswerte verkauft wurden...
Klar ist aber jetzt schon, dass das Weihnachtsgeschäft richtig Sch...lecht gelaufen ist für Sony, schließlich war der letzte Forecast vom Oktober !!!!!
Klar ist aber auch, dass das eigentliche Problem die Consumer Sparte ist, ich denke dass dort die ersten Konsolidierungen stattfinden werden und nicht im Gaming-Bereich. Klar ist aber auch, dass die Luft für weitere Verluste auch im Gaming-Bereich dünn geworden ist...
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This is living 
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?symbol=SNE.N×tamp=20090121170900&rpc=66
Sony geht von jeweils 1 Millionen weniger PS2 und PSP aus.
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?symbol=SNE.N×tamp=20090121170900&rpc=66
Sony geht von jeweils 1 Millionen weniger PS2 und PSP aus.
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Luro
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Ich frag mich grad wo man das aus dem Textausschnitt rauslesen kann
Muss man euch denn alles vorkauen?? ;-)
Habs doch extra fett markiert.
Da oben steht:
Was z. B. verursacht derzeit Kosten bei Sony? Ja genau, unter anderem die PS3.
Also wäre es doch eine Möglichkeit, die PS3 einfach als "großen Fehler" zu verbuchen und einzustampfen und man würde die Kosten deutlich verringern. Jetzt kapiert? ;-)
PS: Und nächstes Mal bitte den ;-) nicht überlesen.
Unterhaltungselektronik hat doch grade in solchen Zeiten Konjunktur. Ich kann mir (selbst als Hardcore RODler) nicht vorstellen das Sony die Playstation ernsthaft in Frage stellt. Aber manche Geschäftsführer sind wirklich "unzurechnungsfähig" ... ob Stinger dazugehört?
Bringt aber alles nix, erst müssen die 400€ verschwinden, dann kann man über den rest reden.
Bringt aber alles nix, erst müssen die 400€ verschwinden, dann kann man über den rest reden.
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Hier ist anscheinend der geniale Restrukturierungsplan:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/08revision2/slide/image/08_image.jpg
Für SCE sind hauptsächlich Entlassungen und andere Maßnahmen (wahrscheinlich Streichung von Boni, Reduzierung von Investitionen...) vorgesehen.
Also wird wohl nix mit dem abmanagen der PS3 ;-)
Ach ja:
Significant reduction in marketing...
...tut mir echt leid Kaz, mit Deinem Talent solltest Du auch eher in die Unterhaltungsbranche wechseln und Skripte für Komiker schreiben...
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Sony bestätigt Restrukturierung der Spielesparte
22.01.09 - Sony hat das Vorhaben bestägtigt, seine 'Games Division' einer Restrukturierung zu unterziehen. Das meldet Videogamer. Die Abteilung ist bei Sony für das PlayStation-Geschäft verantwortlich.
Die Angestelltenzahl der Spielesparte soll verkleinert werden, weitere, nicht näher bekannte Restrukturierungsmaßnahmen durchgeführt werden. Offizielle Einzelheiten werden für morgen erwartet.
Q.Gamefront
22.01.09 - Sony hat das Vorhaben bestägtigt, seine 'Games Division' einer Restrukturierung zu unterziehen. Das meldet Videogamer. Die Abteilung ist bei Sony für das PlayStation-Geschäft verantwortlich.
Die Angestelltenzahl der Spielesparte soll verkleinert werden, weitere, nicht näher bekannte Restrukturierungsmaßnahmen durchgeführt werden. Offizielle Einzelheiten werden für morgen erwartet.
Q.Gamefront
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Also das gleiche was M$ vorher gemacht hat?^^
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nur sollen bei ms angeblich keine leute der entertainment division gehen müssen.
skilllz
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Sony, the Japanese electronics company, said Thursday that it expected to post a record annual operating loss of nearly $3 billion because of the rapid deterioration of the global economy. It also announced a major restructuring that will include layoffs and factory closings.
“The massive economic upheaval being experienced across the world is sparing no one in the consumer electronics world,” the Sony chief executive, Howard Stringer, said at a Tokyo news conference.
Mr. Stringer said the main problem had been “a significant deterioration” in the company’s core electronics division. But business worsened across every major line, including games, movies and financial services, even as competition from Apple’s iPhone and Nintendo’s Wii game console turn up the heat.
The economic crisis has reduced demand for Sony’s products, which range from televisions and cameras to movies and PlayStation 3 game consoles, even as the rise of the yen against other currencies reduces the value of its overseas sales when the proceeds are converted into yen.
Additionally, Mr. Stringer said, “consumer credit has been stifled,” and “some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated.”
Sony is hardly alone. Its Japanese rival Panasonic in November revised downward its annual sales forecast by 700 billion yen. LG Electronics, the South Korean cellphone maker, reported a fourth-quarter net loss of nearly $500 million on Thursday. And Samsung Electronics, which reports its earnings Friday, is expected to post its first quarterly net loss ever.
Sony, long one of Japan’s most internationally visible companies, was long seen as a leader in consumer electronics, owing in part to products like the Sony Walkman. But it is facing threats from a range of competitors as the lines between software and electronics companies begins to blur.
“Our playing field has changed,” Mr. Stringer said. “Sony is no longer competing solely with traditional Japanese electronics companies. Samsung and LG have now broadened their product portfolios,” while they gain some protection from the global downturn by the weakness of the South Korean currency, the won, he added.
“At the same time,” Mr. Stringer said, “Apple, Microsoft and even Cisco are aggressively positioning themselves to anchor the digital home.”
The announcement Thursday marked the second downward revision Sony has made to its current-year forecast, after a similar move in October. Sony executives said the top three managers would forgo their bonuses this year. In addition. bonuses and salaries will be reduced for other senior executives and corporate managers.
The company projects an operating loss of 260 billion yen, about $2.9 billion, for the current business year, compared with a profit of 475.3 billion yen a year earlier. The new estimate represents a deterioration of 60 billion yen from the October forecast. Sony’s business year runs from April through March. It will report its results for the October-December quarter on Jan. 29.
The dollar has fallen nearly 20 percent against the yen since mid-August, while the euro has lost almost 30 percent in the same period.
“The operating loss is much bigger than I expected,” Nobuo Kurahashi, an analyst at Mizuho Investors Securities told Reuters. “They may soon announce additional restructuring steps, as what’s already out there is not that drastic. I cannot help but have a negative impression from all of this.”
The company said it expected to book restructuring charges of 60 billion yen this year and 110 billion yen next year as it works to cut 250 billion yen in costs next year.
With the biggest share of the operating loss expected to come at Sony’s television operations — which have been losing money for years — the company said it would cut about 1,000 Japanese contract workers as it closes design and manufacturing operations at its plant in Ichinomiya, Japan, and consolidates production at a plant in Inazawa.
Sony will also start an early retirement program “supporting employees to take up new opportunities beyond the Sony group” and said it was planning a “significant reduction” in marketing and other expenses.
The early retirements may include some of the job cuts announced in December, when Sony said would lay off 8,000 workers and close as many as six plants.
The company said that for the current fiscal year it expected sales to fall 13 percent from last year, to 7.7 trillion yen, and that it expected a net loss of 150 billion yen — its first net loss in 14 years — compared with a profit of 369.4 billion a year earlier.
Sony has faced major reversals in the past but has managed to come back stronger. The company acquired Columbia Pictures and Tristar in 1989, but was eventually forced to recognize that it had overpaid and wrote down $3.2 billion five years later. That was the last time the company posted a net loss.
Sony shares fell 2.6 percent in Tokyo. The company announced its new forecast after the close of trading in Tokyo. The stock has declined by nearly 65 percent in the last 12 months.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/technology/23sony.html?_r=1&ref=technology
“The massive economic upheaval being experienced across the world is sparing no one in the consumer electronics world,” the Sony chief executive, Howard Stringer, said at a Tokyo news conference.
Mr. Stringer said the main problem had been “a significant deterioration” in the company’s core electronics division. But business worsened across every major line, including games, movies and financial services, even as competition from Apple’s iPhone and Nintendo’s Wii game console turn up the heat.
The economic crisis has reduced demand for Sony’s products, which range from televisions and cameras to movies and PlayStation 3 game consoles, even as the rise of the yen against other currencies reduces the value of its overseas sales when the proceeds are converted into yen.
Additionally, Mr. Stringer said, “consumer credit has been stifled,” and “some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated.”
Sony is hardly alone. Its Japanese rival Panasonic in November revised downward its annual sales forecast by 700 billion yen. LG Electronics, the South Korean cellphone maker, reported a fourth-quarter net loss of nearly $500 million on Thursday. And Samsung Electronics, which reports its earnings Friday, is expected to post its first quarterly net loss ever.
Sony, long one of Japan’s most internationally visible companies, was long seen as a leader in consumer electronics, owing in part to products like the Sony Walkman. But it is facing threats from a range of competitors as the lines between software and electronics companies begins to blur.
“Our playing field has changed,” Mr. Stringer said. “Sony is no longer competing solely with traditional Japanese electronics companies. Samsung and LG have now broadened their product portfolios,” while they gain some protection from the global downturn by the weakness of the South Korean currency, the won, he added.
“At the same time,” Mr. Stringer said, “Apple, Microsoft and even Cisco are aggressively positioning themselves to anchor the digital home.”
The announcement Thursday marked the second downward revision Sony has made to its current-year forecast, after a similar move in October. Sony executives said the top three managers would forgo their bonuses this year. In addition. bonuses and salaries will be reduced for other senior executives and corporate managers.
The company projects an operating loss of 260 billion yen, about $2.9 billion, for the current business year, compared with a profit of 475.3 billion yen a year earlier. The new estimate represents a deterioration of 60 billion yen from the October forecast. Sony’s business year runs from April through March. It will report its results for the October-December quarter on Jan. 29.
The dollar has fallen nearly 20 percent against the yen since mid-August, while the euro has lost almost 30 percent in the same period.
“The operating loss is much bigger than I expected,” Nobuo Kurahashi, an analyst at Mizuho Investors Securities told Reuters. “They may soon announce additional restructuring steps, as what’s already out there is not that drastic. I cannot help but have a negative impression from all of this.”
The company said it expected to book restructuring charges of 60 billion yen this year and 110 billion yen next year as it works to cut 250 billion yen in costs next year.
With the biggest share of the operating loss expected to come at Sony’s television operations — which have been losing money for years — the company said it would cut about 1,000 Japanese contract workers as it closes design and manufacturing operations at its plant in Ichinomiya, Japan, and consolidates production at a plant in Inazawa.
Sony will also start an early retirement program “supporting employees to take up new opportunities beyond the Sony group” and said it was planning a “significant reduction” in marketing and other expenses.
The early retirements may include some of the job cuts announced in December, when Sony said would lay off 8,000 workers and close as many as six plants.
The company said that for the current fiscal year it expected sales to fall 13 percent from last year, to 7.7 trillion yen, and that it expected a net loss of 150 billion yen — its first net loss in 14 years — compared with a profit of 369.4 billion a year earlier.
Sony has faced major reversals in the past but has managed to come back stronger. The company acquired Columbia Pictures and Tristar in 1989, but was eventually forced to recognize that it had overpaid and wrote down $3.2 billion five years later. That was the last time the company posted a net loss.
Sony shares fell 2.6 percent in Tokyo. The company announced its new forecast after the close of trading in Tokyo. The stock has declined by nearly 65 percent in the last 12 months.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/technology/23sony.html?_r=1&ref=technology
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