Heavy Rain

Ich könnte mir das Video immer und immer wieder ansehen (tuh ich eigentlich auch), imo ist es einfach unglaublich und ich hoffe die Mimik und Gestik im Spiel wird ansatzweise an diese Qualität herankommen.
Mir laufen beim ansehen jedesmal ein paar Schauer den Rücken runter und der Trailer ist imo sogar besser als der von MGS4.
 
Ich fand das Video nicht sooo beeindruckend.
Teilweise schon, aber die Mundanimationen müssten nochmals überarbeitet werden.

Bzw., es ist ein Multigame, was hat das hier zu suchen? :lol: ;)
 
Ich fand Fahrenheit schon sehr sehr geil,und das wird gekauft wenns auch so ähnlich wird :)
Schade das sich so spiele wie Fahrenheit aber ned gut verkaufen lassen :/
 
NeSS schrieb:
Bzw., es ist ein Multigame, was hat das hier zu suchen? :lol: ;)

Das sollte wohl nicht beziehungsweise sonder "by the way - btw" heisse, aber egal. Ich hab den thread hier gestartet, da die demo auf der ps3 lief und ich keine ahnung habe, fuer welche plattform das spiel angekuendigt ist, und somit der schluss: Demo auf ps3 -> game auch dort fuer mich nahe lag.
 
So, nun wissen wir es zumindest etwas besser:

IGN schrieb:
IGN: There has been a lot of speculation since E3 that Heavy Rain will go "PS3 only" because of where it was showed. Any truth to that or can we expect to see it on multiple systems?

Fondaumière: We hear and read a lot of things lately on Heavy Rain. All I can say is: not everything is true and nothing is written in stone as we speak. For now, Quantic Dream is working on the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms.
 
Stike schrieb:
So, nun wissen wir es zumindest etwas besser:

IGN schrieb:
IGN: There has been a lot of speculation since E3 that Heavy Rain will go "PS3 only" because of where it was showed. Any truth to that or can we expect to see it on multiple systems?

Fondaumière: We hear and read a lot of things lately on Heavy Rain. All I can say is: not everything is true and nothing is written in stone as we speak. For now, Quantic Dream is working on the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms.

da steht aber nicht das heavy rain für alle 3 plattformen kommt. da steht nur dass sie an allen 3 plattformen arbeitne. kann heißen dass für die xbox 360 und den pc ein spiel kommt und für die ps3 ein anderes. oder umgekehrt. ;)


edit: was das Spiel kommt nicht für den wii? (sorry musste sein ;))
 
naco schrieb:
Stike schrieb:
So, nun wissen wir es zumindest etwas besser:

IGN schrieb:
IGN: There has been a lot of speculation since E3 that Heavy Rain will go "PS3 only" because of where it was showed. Any truth to that or can we expect to see it on multiple systems?

Fondaumière: We hear and read a lot of things lately on Heavy Rain. All I can say is: not everything is true and nothing is written in stone as we speak. For now, Quantic Dream is working on the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms.

da steht aber nicht das heavy rain für alle 3 plattformen kommt. da steht nur dass sie an allen 3 plattformen arbeitne. kann heißen dass für die xbox 360 und den pc ein spiel kommt und für die ps3 ein anderes. oder umgekehrt. ;)

wär aber ne dämliche antwort auf die frage obs "ps3 only" ist
 
So lange an diesen Plattformen gearbeitet wird, ist auch das Spiel hier für "Games Allgemein" zuzuordnen!

Natürlich kann es sein, dass irgendwie noch ein Exklusivvertrag in der Zwischenzeit etwas daran ändert, aber das ist jetzt der Stand der Dinge...
 
Als ich das erste mal davon gehört hatte (nur ein Bild gesehen) dachte ich...

Pfft wen interessierts???

Dann vor ner Woche hab ich den Techtrailer bei Gametrailers in HD gesehen...

BOAHHH meine Fresse...das ist doch mal Next gen...

Ok Grafik ist nicht alles...aber zum ersten mal waren die Gefühle wirklich eindeutig im Gesicht abzulesen(ja Half Life 2 war auch schon nicht schlecht)

Als sie angefangen hat zu Weinen(Tränen liefen ihr über das Gesicht)
ist mir mein Herz fast in die Hose gerutscht....

Das ist das ertse mal das ich glaubhafte Tränen in einem Spiel gesehen habe...(selbst bei dem FF Movie Spirits Withinsahen die nicht so echt aus)

Das war richtig ergreifend... :cry:

Ich hoffe so sehr das es ungefähr so aussehen wird wenn es fertig ist...(2008)
Und das es ne Cute kitschfreie Erwachsene Traurige Story erzählt...


PS: Es war natürlich nicht perfekt...der Mund und die Zähne der Dame sind mir schon aufgefallen...aber ansonnsten....Hut ab...
Das hätte Sony als Exclusiven aufmacher bei der PK zeigen sollen (mit beweis für Echtzeit) dann würden heute so manche das Maul halten...

Aber so wie es jetzt ist bin ich auch zufrieden...

MULTI GAMES yeah
 
Habs mir gerade auch angeguckt und ja..

wenn sie gesprochen hat , waren die Mundbewegungen sehr seltsam und eher schlecht..
aber später ab dem Part mit der Waffe und als die Tränen dazukamen im Closeup fand ich das verdammt überzeugend , die Augen kamen sehr glaubwürdig rüber und emotionen daher auch..
verdient den Begriff "Virtual Actor" schon ziemlich wenn die das mit dem Mund hinbekommen was ja kein Ding sein sollte.
 
Wie in dem Entwicklerinterview auf IGN (wurde auch hier in einer neuigkeit verlinkt) zu lesen ist, war beim video der ton etwas "out-of-sync" und es wird auch davon gesprochen, dass es eigentlich eine interne "testwiese" war und es nur ein anfang ist (die erste version, die QD bis dato gebaut hat) und sie damit spielen wollten und vor allem mit dem lip-sync noch mehr vor haben. Es kommt durch, dass man wohl einen "starrere" methode haette nutzen koennen und damit wesentlich bessere ergebnisse bekommen haette, aber das nicht sinn und zweck war, man mehr das "weiche" im mund simluieren will und die vielen muskeln, die auf den ausdruck einfluss haben.

Nichts desto trotz ist auch der echtzeit traenen effekt nett. Auch lustig, der kommentar zu entstehung. Sie haetten schauspieler gesucht, und diejenige, die es dann nun wurde (name steht auch im interview) waer am anfang sehr schuechtern gewesen und sie sollte die schlussszene aus kill bill (1 oder 2, k.a.) spielen, und haette sich vollkommen verwandelt, daraufhin hat man diese "casting" script geschrieben und der produzent will auf alle faelle auf sie zurueckkommen und sie haette auch angebote aus hollywood bekommen =) sehr nett. Spiele als plattform ins filmgeschaeft ;)
 
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Soo wird mal endlich zeit das dieses Spiel seinen eigenen Thread bekommt.^^

Viel ist bis auf einen umwerfenden Trailer nicht bekannt. Aber das was man davon schon kennt, bereit vielen eine gänsehaut sondergleichen. Und nach der letztjährigen E3 war Heavy Rain das Thema Nummer 1 am Sony Stand



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Oh und bevor welche kommen und sagen. Äh das ist aber nicht Ps3 Exclusiv. Hier die bittere Wahrheit für euch "Trolle" :p

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Außerdem Listet die Aktuelle Seite dieses Spiel als next generation Console game. Man achte darauf keine MEHRZAHL!!!

http://www.quanticdream.com/product.html

So und nun aber zum eigentlichen Spiel und über die Infos die es hierzu gibt.^^


If you thought Keanu Reeves was wooden in Point Break, you should see the Nameless Marine. He doesn't say much, but he moves jaggedly, makes exactly the same sound each time he gets hurt, and always sports the same tense grimace. He is the worst actor you will ever see. Where can you catch him? Well, he's so bad he's only secured a role in a couple of titles, namely in id Software's DOOM series.

Chances are you haven't been too impressed by many other videogaming denizens. You'd think a character with whom you could interact freely would be more compelling than one in a world-class film, but this isn't the case. David Cage, lead designer of the upcoming Heavy Rain at Quantic Dream, attributes this to limited content.

"Most video games only use very basic emotions, like fear, anger, power, and frustration," he notes, "but not the social emotions that appeared later during evolution like empathy, sadness, joy, pity, love, et cetera. These emotions are more complex to generate, but all other art forms managed to do it. I can see no reason why games should limit themselves to the same old basic ones."

All art forms are, he believes, "emotional roller-coasters". "The pleasure we feel watching a movie or reading a book comes from the different emotions we go through," he elaborates. "There is no doubt in my mind that games will follow the same direction and offer more interesting, emotionally involving experiences, with more meaning and depth. Fahrenheit, our last game, was our first try at exploring new solutions. We will go much further with Heavy Rain."


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A screenshot of the Heavy Rain trailer shown at last year's E3

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The first step was to secure adequate technology for the challenge, and they found it in PlayStation 3's resources. The result? A short trailer of sorts, shown at E3 2006. Unlike your typical gameplay walkthrough, Heavy Rain's trailer was simply in-game footage of an actress (voiced by Aurelie Bancilhon, who also provided her likeness) auditioning for the role of a betrayed wife. Compared to the frantic gun battles and ninja duels shown near and around Heavy Rain, the trailer was uniquely affecting. And what's more, it expertly showcased the tech at Quantic Dream's disposal — the actress visibly went from being embarrassed, to nostalgic, bitter, suicidal, and, finally, enraged, with the kind of subtlety and depth usually only seen in, well, real people.

Cage explains why such an unusual trailer was used to promote his game: "'The Audition' was initially an internal prototype in real-time 3D on PS3 to help us understand the technical difficulties of creating an emotion actor. This demo was just our raw first try, without any R&D, and it was not supposed to be shown outside. When Sony saw it, they asked us if they could show it on their booth at E3, and this is how it all started. The demo has been downloaded 800,000 times on the internet, and Heavy Rain was, after E3, the most anticipated game on PS3 at GameSpot.


"Although we didn't plan for it to be shown, this trailer is indicative of the direction we will take regarding acting quality. The final quality of the game will be significantly higher, though. Also, this trailer is just a real-time non-interactive movie, where the game will be fully interactive, without cut scenes."

As well-received the Heavy Rain trailer was, there were complaints about its unprecedented realism. Some writers commented that because Quantic Dream has so closely approached photorealism, slight imperfections in the virtual actor — such as when the virtual Ms. Bancilhon's eyes seem glassy or when her lips are slightly out-of-sync — make the whole thing disturbing, rather than compelling. In other words, they argue that Heavy Rain suffers from the Uncanny Valley effect, where virtual humans almost perfectly mimic humanity but aren't quite perfect, and such imperfections are jarring. Players don't react this way to less sophisticated "fake" humans, as their humanity is abstracted and all "holes" are filled by our imagination.

Cage is disappointed that some chose to focus on what wasn't achieved in the trailer, rather than what was. "A lot of writers also wrote that this trailer was one of the first to put a step out of the Uncanny Valley," he remarks. "I think this is really an outdated discussion. There is absolutely no doubt that we will very soon have highly emotional and believable synthetic human beings. The technology and expertise are now in reach, and we could touch it in this prototype. The exact problem is that the closer you get to realism, the more it has to be perfect because the least imperfection becomes shocking. If you raise the quality bar, you need to do it in a consistent way on all aspects, which is the current technical difficulty. There are still issues, but again, we feel we are not that far anymore."

As long as Quantic Dream is consistent with its emotional sophistication — i.e., its game design and character development are just as advanced as its technology — Cage doesn't think such complaints will arise again. "They'll have no difficulty accepting virtual actors, as long as we remain consistent. We still need to work on some aspects, because very few people found solutions to reach this level of detail in an acting performance. For some major publishers, emotion in games is limited to a smile on the face of a golfer when he did a nice drive. With our trailer, we had a girl talking for four minutes, looking straight into the camera, in a kitchen and going from a naïve attitude to smiles, tears, and anger. This is a different type of challenge."

In his opinion, though, it's one that's fully achievable. Which begs the question: why hasn't a Heavy Rain been attempted before? "Most decision makers in this industry only consider concepts that have already been developed before," Cage shrugs. "When you try to come up with something really different, they look at you like you are (a) totally nuts, (b) an alien, or, (c) perfectly stupid. You know, 'Why try something different when we could sell so many GTA clones to these stupid teenagers out there?'

"At Quantic Dream, we try to have more ambition for our media. We were lucky enough to find publishers trusting our vision and giving us the means to accomplish it. After Fahrenheit, a project very few people believed in, a lot of publishers realised that it was possible to make games based on interactive storytelling and emotions. Some important ones think today that emotion and stories may be an interesting direction to explore and that the market starts to be ready for it."

It's fair to say that if you've seen Heavy Rain's trailer, you're probably more than ready for whatever Cage is creating .We may not know much about the actual gameplay — save that it furthers Cage's "Bending Stories" technique, a way of creating non-linear storylines, first used in Fahrenheit — but from what Cage has been suggesting, it doesn't look like it will play like anything we've ever seen before. And hopefully, the game will be successful enough to make emotion in games more than an afterthough. What's more, we'll be able to give the DOOM Marine the boot, once and for all.



IGN: The Heavy Rain demo was definitely one of the more impressive games in Sony's booth at E3, how long had the team been working on it prior to the show?

Guillaume de Fondaumière: In fact, we spent less than three months to put the demo together from scratch, which includes developing the PS3 engine, writing the script, making the auditions to find the actress, defining the Mo-Cap techniques and doing some basic R&D for the tongue and hair.

Initially, this demo was a purely internal technical prototype that was not supposed to be shown outside the company. Our original goal was just to define if it was possible to create a next-gen character able to express complex emotions and what it would take on a technical point of view. David Cage wrote a script where the actress would go through different emotions in just a couple of minutes, from the very shy and naïve actress of the beginning to the drama at the end with real-time tears. He also wanted to know if we could make the audience listen to her, care for her and react to her emotions in a similar way than with a real actress.

Sony saw our work-in-progress and asked us for the permission to show it in its booth at E3 to show what could be done in matter of virtual actors on a PlayStation 3. The challenge was that we were only a few weeks away from E3 when the request came n and had not planed to finalize "The Casting" before the end of June.

Oh und falls viele noch nicht wissen, warum alle so begeistert von diesem Trailer waren. Hier der komplette Trailer in HD :p

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2717

In diesem Sinne freue ich mich auf die nächste E3 denn dort wird es sicherlich mehr infos zum Spiel selber geben^^
 
Der Trailer auf der letzen E3 hat mich total geflasht, einfach unglaublich wie realistisch die Emotionen und Gefühle rüberkamen :o:o:o
Kein Wunder das es PS3 Exklusiv ist :lol2:

Freu mich richtig drauf, mal kein billiger 08/15 Shooter!!!
 
Spitz_pass_auf schrieb:
Bist du dir da genauso sicher wie bei der PS3 Version von Two Worlds?

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Confidential next generation console game

http://www.quanticdream.com/product.html


IGN: The Heavy Rain demo was definitely one of the more impressive games in Sony's booth at E3, how long had the team been working on it prior to the show?

Guillaume de Fondaumière: In fact, we spent less than three months to put the demo together from scratch, which includes developing the PS3 engine, writing the script, making the auditions to find the actress, defining the Mo-Cap techniques and doing some basic R&D for the tongue and hair.

Sony saw our work-in-progress and asked us for the permission to show it in its booth at E3 to show what could be done in matter of virtual actors on a PlayStation 3.

Beweise genug?

Sorry aber dieses Spiel lass ich mir nicht aus dem PS3 Thread nehmen solange es nicht offiziell für die 360 angekündigt wird :p
 
http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/29215/info.shtml

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/811/811231.html

IGN: There has been a lot of speculation since E3 that Heavy Rain will go "PS3 only" because of where it was showed. Any truth to that or can we expect to see it on multiple systems?

Fondaumière: We hear and read a lot of things lately on Heavy Rain. All I can say is: not everything is true and nothing is written in stone as we speak. For now, Quantic Dream is working on the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/711/711731p4.html

Wie gesagt das Spiel hat schon einen wesentlich älteren Thread im Bereich Games Allgemein. :p
 
Darji schrieb:
Beweise genug?

Sorry aber dieses Spiel lass ich mir nicht aus dem PS3 Thread nehmen solange es nicht offiziell für die 360 angekündigt wird :p


IGN: There has been a lot of speculation since E3 that Heavy Rain will go "PS3 only" because of where it was showed. Any truth to that or can we expect to see it on multiple systems?

Fondaumière: We hear and read a lot of things lately on Heavy Rain. All I can say is: not everything is true and nothing is written in stone as we speak. For now, Quantic Dream is working on the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms.
 
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