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Back2TheRoots schrieb:
Die Republikaner haben sich also letztendlich auf das Niveau der Demokraten herab begeben und versuchen ebenfalls die Sache zu vertuschen.

Nach den großspurigen Ankündigungen im Vorfeld besonders schäbig.
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hm... epstein wurde während trumps amtszeit inhaftiert und "suizidiert". schwer zu glauben, dass die dems ihre finger im spiel hatten.

man könnte der biden administration zwar vorwerfen, dass sie die akten AUCH nicht brach legten, aber die reps waren zuerst am drücker. wieso die biden administration das ganze später nicht veröffentlicht hat könnte an zwei gründen liegen: irgendein, oder mehrere, hochrangige dems sind schäbigerweise auch in den akten vertreten, oder man ging einfach davon aus, dass egal was sie zu epstein und trump bringen, ihnen kein rep, geschweige denn maga, glauben wird.

ich mein... wir "wissen" dank trump seit zwei tagen ja, dass hillary und obama die epstein akten geschrieben haben. :uglygw:

die sollen einfach alles freigeben, egal wer darin verwickelt ist. selbst wenn dies heisst, dass das weisse haus abgefackelt wird. jeder mittäter soll büssen, egal welcher rang, egal welche ethnie, egal welches geschlecht, egal welche politische ausrichting. das ist der vorteil, wenn man nicht einem personenkult folgt.

und inzwischrn bin ich mir sicher, dass auch trump dick auf der liste steht.
 
TheSeaSnake schrieb:
Michael Jackson.
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Haus schrieb:
Jordan Chandler Case:
Evan Chandler (father of Jordan Chandler): "Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I've given him full authority to do that (...) If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever (...) Michael's career will be over (...) This man is going to be humiliated beyond belief. He will not believe what is going to happen to him, beyond his worst nightmares. He will not sell one more record."

Chandler admitted he had used the sedative sodium amytal during Jordan's dental surgery, during which Jordan said Jackson had touched his penis. ➔ Studies carried out in 1952 demonstrated that it enabled false memories to be implanted.

Evan Chandler demanded money from Jackson, threatening to go to a criminal court.

Jordan Chandler gave police a description of Jackson's genitals, a strip search was made, and the jurors felt the description was not a match.

Jordan claimed that Jackson was circumcised. However, Jackson's autopsy report showed that he had not been circumcised.

According to the county's DCFS reports, Jordan had difficulty remembering the times and dates of his alleged molestation.

Police questioned 30 children who were friends of Jackson and all stated that he was not a child molester.

The police investigation found no physical evidence against Jackson.

Several parents complained of aggressive investigative techniques by police. They claimed the police frightened their children with lies such as "we have nude photos of you", and told parents their children had been molested even though their children had denied it.

A former security guard made various allegations about Jackson, saying he had been fired because he "knew too much", and alleged that he was ordered by Jackson to destroy a photo of a naked boy. ➔ Instead of reporting this alleged event to the police, he sold the story to Hard Copy for $150000.

Jackson's maid, Blanca Francia, alleged that she "quit in disgust" after seeing Jackson in a shower with a child, but did not inform the police. ➔ Lisa D. Campbell reported that Francia had been fired in 1991 and had sold her story to Hard Copy for $20000.

One couple asked for $100000, claiming that Jackson had sexually caressed Culkin. For a fee of $500000, they would also allege that Jackson put his hands down Culkin's pants. ➔ Culkin strongly denied the allegation and did so again in court during Jackson's 2005 trial.

Hard Copy ran a story stating it had acquired "new documents in the criminal investigation of Michael Jackson, and they are chilling; they contain the name of child movie actor Macaulay Culkin". ➔ In fact, the document stated that Culkin denied being abused by Jackson.

On November 5, 2009, 14 weeks after Jackson's death, Evan Chandler was found dead from suicide.

Gavin Arvizo Case:
Jackson was acquitted on all counts.

Jordan Chandler, the alleged victim in the 1993 child abuse allegations, left the country rather than appear as a witness. ➔ Thomas Mesereau (defense attorney of Michael Jackson): "The prosecutors tried to get [Chandler] to show up and he wouldn't. If he had, I had witnesses who were going to come in and say he told them it never happened and that he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say."

June Chandler (mother of Jordan Chandler) testified that she had never suspected anything inappropriate between Jackson and Jordan. She told the court that she had not spoken to Jordan in eleven years.

Janet (mother of Gavin Arvizo) admitted to having lied under oath in an earlier lawsuit.

Witnesses for the defense showed Janet had spent $7,000 shopping and dining out at the same time she alleged Jackson kept her and her family captive.

Housekeeper Kiki Fournier testified that the Arvizo children became unruly at Neverland Ranch without authority figures. She said that the Arvizo boys "trashed" their guest rooms, and that at one point Star (brother of Gavin Arvizo) had pointed a knife at her in Jackson's kitchen.

It was stated that the Arvizos had not visited Neverland since March 2003. However, when shown a pornographic magazine dated August 2003, five months after the family stopped visiting Neverland, Star claimed that was one of the magazines Jackson had shown them.

Gavin testified he had told his school administrator that Jackson had not molested him.

Wade Robson testified as Jackson's first defense witness that he had slept in Jackson's bedroom several times but had never been molested.

The former child star Macaulay Culkin testified that he had shared a bed with Jackson on a dozen or more times between the ages of nine and 14, but had never been molested and had never seen Jackson act improperly.

Barnes was aware of the prosecutor's witness testimonies claiming they had seen Jackson touch him inappropriately. In response, Barnes said, "I'm very mad about it. It's not true and they put my name through the dirt. I'm really not happy about it."

Ralph Chacon, a former security guard at Neverland Ranch, testified that he had seen Jackson performing oral sex on Chandler in the early 1990s. A former maid at the ranch, Adrian McManus, testified that she had seen Jackson kissing boys including the actor Macaulay Culkin, and described Jackson touching Culkin's leg and rear. ➔ According to testimony, Chacon and McManus had been found guilty of stealing items from Jackson's house amounting to more than $50,000 and ordered to pay more than $1 million in legal fees. ➔ On cross-examination, the pair affirmed that they had been paid for media interviews. (➔ McManus had previously denied witnessing misconduct from Jackson in a 1993 court deposition while under oath.)

Jurors found the prosecution's case weak and the timeline of accusations problematic because they had claimed the molestation allegedly occurred after the broadcast of the documentary, when the world's attention was on Jackson and Gavin.

Jury foreman Paul Rodriguez compared Jason's to Janet Arvizo's erratic behavior on the stand. He said he "just didn't seem that credible", "left too many little loopholes in his statements" and they had a hard time believing him.

In 2010, the British journalist Charles Thomson described the trial as "one of the most shameful episodes in journalistic history". He said the media coverage was "out of control (...) The sheer amount of propaganda, bias, distortion, and misinformation is almost beyond comprehension."

The Huffington Post contributor Luka Neskovic wrote that the trial "displayed media at their worst", with "sensationalism, exclusivity, negativity, eccentrics, chaos, and hysteria". ➔ Neskovic observed that the media was more interested in reporting the prosecution than the defense, and that, for example, The Hollywood Reporter chose not to report two weeks of the defense case.

Jason Francia Case:
Jason Francia, whose mother worked as a maid at Neverland Ranch, testified that Jackson had abused him on several occasions when he was seven to ten years old. ➔ She sold her stories to the tabloid National Enquirer and the television show Hard Copy.

On cross-examination, Francia acknowledged that in his first 1993 interview he told detectives Jackson had not molested him.

The Francias never filed a lawsuit.

Wade Robson and James Safechuck Case:
Reed (producer of Leaving Neverland) said he did not want to interview other key figures because they might complicate or compromise the story he wanted to tell.

Robson and Safechuck had previously testified that Jackson never molested them. ➔ Safechuck as a child during the 1993 investigation, and Robson as a child in 1993 and as a young adult in 2005.

Safechuck alleged abuse in the Neverland train station which was built more than a year after Safechuck's alleged abuse ended.

McEwan noted that Safechuck claimed that Jackson had wanted him to testify in Jackson's 2005 trial, and Safechuck had refused. ➔ McEwan interviewed a private investigator who worked on that trial, who stated that Safechuck was never asked to testify at all, because the judge had barred the introduction of such evidence.

Robson claimed he was abused at Neverland when in fact he was on a Grand Canyon trip with his family.

Brandi Jackson, who dated Robson from 1991 onward for years, has been countering Robson's claims and the narrative of Michael always being around him.

Bill Whitfield, Jackson's former head of security, also disputed Robson's account that Robson and his wife visited Jackson at his home in Las Vegas in 2008, and said that Robson had never visited.

Several men who were friends of Jackson as children, including some who were named in the documentary as other victims, defended him and denounced the documentary.

FBI Files:
FBI files on Jackson revealed the FBI's role in the 2005 trial and the 1993 allegations, and showed that the FBI found no evidence of criminal conduct on Jackson's behalf.

After a meeting in June 2004 between Santa Barbara Assistant District Attorneys (SBADAs) and the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), it was concluded that a federal case could still be pursued with the 1993 accuser [Jordan Chandler]. A conference call was held on August 30, 2004, when it was agreed that Santa Maria RA should open a case on the 1993 accuser. ➔ A meeting was held in New York in an attempt to persuade the 1993 accuser to testify for the 2005 trial. The 1993 accuser informed the two agents in the meeting that he would not testify against Jackson and would "legally fight any attempts to do so".

Das ist wohlgemerkt noch lange nicht alles was man zur Verteidigung von Michael Jackson einbringen könnte.
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Dies ändert jetzt was genau an den Büchern mit den nackten Jungs von Nambla?
Selbst wenn die Eltern persönlich ihre Kinder ins Bett von Jackson gelegt haben, ändert dies dann was genau?
 
ChoosenOne schrieb:
lol was?
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Und dieser Clip aus Family Guy beweist genau was?

Jackson ist seit 2009 tot, und bis heute kann man dem ehemals größten Popstar, dessen Leben zum damaligen Zeitpunkt vermutlich so exzessiv wie das keines anderen Menschen auf diesem Planeten dokumentiert wurde, nichts nachweisen. Bitte nicht falsch verstehen, jeder Fall von Kindesmisshandlung ist eklig und verachtenswert, aber es gibt schlichtweg nicht einen einzigen Anhaltspunkt dafür, dass der Mann sich an einem Kind vergangen hat. Jeder Provinzpädo wird anhand von DNA-Proben irgendwann überführt.
Ich gehe gerne mit, dass MJ ein Sonderling gewesen ist, aber das reicht nicht aus, um ihn und sein Schaffen posthum zu diskreditieren.
 
TheSeaSnake schrieb:
Dies ändert jetzt was genau an den Büchern mit den nackten Jungs von Nambla?
Selbst wenn die Eltern persönlich ihre Kinder ins Bett von Jackson gelegt haben, ändert dies dann was genau?
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Es gibt bis heute keinen einzigen Fall, wo eine Straftat von ihm bestätigt wurde. Es gibt allerdings zig Fälle, wo bestätigt ist, dass man ihn erpressen und seine Karriere zerstören wollte.
 
Zissou schrieb:
ich kann mich jedenfalls nicht erinnern, dass macfarlane verklagt wurde, oder die entsprechende family guy episode aus dem verkehr gezogen wurde.
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Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter. Ist halt einfach eine schwache Argumentation. "Die machen Gags in einer Sendung, die vor 20 Jahren mal originell gewesen ist über MJ". Wer soll sich da beschweren? Zumindest seine Tochter scheint ja ganz gut zu leben.
 
TheSeaSnake schrieb:
Great Art from Bad People ist durchaus ein Ding.
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Das mag sein, aber MJ ist hier und heute nun mal keine „bad person“, weil ihm nichts nachgewiesen wurde und das obwohl massig in Bewegung gesetzt wurde, um ihm etwas nachzuweisen. Da wurden sogar Gesetze geändert, um ihm das Leben so schwer wie nur möglich zu machen, trotzdem gibt es bis heute keinen bestätigten Fall. Nicht du entscheidest ob jemand schuldig oder unschuldig ist, sondern ein Gericht.

PS: Außerdem wurden seine Karriere und sein Leben definitiv wegen den Anschuldigungen zerstört. Da wäre vieles ganz anders verlaufen, wenn es die Anschuldigungen nie gegeben hätte.
 
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TheSeaSnake schrieb:
Dies ändert jetzt was genau an den Büchern mit den nackten Jungs von Nambla?
Selbst wenn die Eltern persönlich ihre Kinder ins Bett von Jackson gelegt haben, ändert dies dann was genau?
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Du hast Recht. Es ändert nichts, du wirst wie die extremen Fanatiker immer wieder deinen Sermon von dir geben und hoffen, dass ein paar Idioten darauf reinfallen.
 
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